Kill the Suboxone Stigma – This Isn’t Recovery Meme

Suboxone Stigma

You may have seen the  meme on the right on Facebook or on other social media websites. Regrettably, these little images are full of misinformation and in my opinion, people posting it are highly misguided.

Yes it’s true, there are people out there that attempt to use Suboxone to get high. Then again, people use a lot of things that aren’t intended for that purpose to experience feelings of euphoria.

Suboxone is a legitimate medication that’s prescribed by physicians to patients addicted to heroin and/or other opiates. It is one of many recovery options for people who are trying to get well and sober. Visit our content on Suboxone to learn more about this medication, other medicine assisted treatments and recovery in general.  To discuss Suboxone with recovering heroin addicts and medical professionals visit the Suboxone section of our Heroin Addiction & Recovery Discussion Forum.

While Suboxone may not be for everyone, it is truly a legitimate option for some people addicted to heroin or other opiates. Moreover, it really can work if used correctly and how it’s intended to be used. So while Suboxone itself isn’t recovery, it can provide heroin or opiate addicts with that extra help and support they need to get clean.

The active ingredients in Suboxone attaches itself to opiate receptors in the brain, blocking other opiates like heroin, oxycodone, etc. It helps both with preventing heroin withdrawal symptoms for patients trying to stop using heroin and minimizes and even potentially eliminates cravings.

Frankly, it is ignorant and shows a lack of education when people blindly post images that they see without educating themselves to see if what they are posting is even true. We don’t intend on insulting anyone who has posted this meme anywhere however, I am hoping that people take the time to read up on Suboxone and heroin addiction, including legitimate recovery methods before blindly posting misinformation.

Getting help for drug addiction is already hard enough. People don’t need to be shamed by seeing people post misinformation about their selected treatment option when for some, Suboxone is probably the best thing that ever happened to them and even saved their lives.

Another similar treatment option is methadone and unfortunately, many people have major stigmas against that as well. But realistically, if used correctly under the guidance of a physician, just like Suboxone, Methadone Maintenance Therapy (MMT) can save lives and help heroin and opiate addicts get of drugs and live a life of sobriety.

It’s our hope that people take this topic seriously and understand that people addicted to these drugs need help and while people do need to be educated about the risks associated with treatment options and possible abuse, people shouldn’t shun them or spread misinformation about legitimate treatment options that can save lives.

Written and Published By

William – Publisher of Kill the Heroin Epidemic Nationwide™

51 thoughts on “Kill the Suboxone Stigma – This Isn’t Recovery Meme

  1. Pharmacotherapy can and does assist many people struggling with addiction to cease using illicit substances. However, many prescribing physicians seem to encourage people to stay on methadone or suboxone indefinitely, which I do not agree with. I feel there needs to be more assistance in tapering people off these medications once they have stabilized their life and have supports. If they don’t, it is much like replacing their illicit use with another habit that has negative health affects, and still leaves them restrained by substances. In Australia, people on these programs have restricted freedom, and cannot travel or go away for more than a few days, and a tightly bound to a rigid method of receiving their medication. It’s one prison to another

    • I’ve been on methadone now for eight years and let me just tell you my life turned from getting high every day and searching for my next fix to my family being able to trust me again after a ten year span of opiate addiction , to having a job and being able to keep it for mor than a week or two. To being a great and attentive mother again. And on and on it goes. And yes some use methadone and suboxone for all the wrong reasons. But for the percentage of people this works for and makes a big difference in there lives it’s really worth it. So before you rant on getting rid of all these things look at the people it made a difference in. Methadone and suboxone is not for everyone. But for some its everything , just like insulin is to a diabetic. Would you take that away from a diabetic, NO , so don’t do it to a person with an opiate problem

    • I got to tell you that I’ve been to 10, yes 10 different rehabs over the years and methadone bieng an option that I onced tried and it was as bad as what I was on!!! I definitely wouldn’t ever suggest using it at all, but however Suboxone has really turned my life around, I went from. Living in a run down trailer, no car or either one that barley ran, starving, to owning my own business, a successful business at that, so does my wife, she has her own business! I have a very nice house 4 cars, a boat, see doos, and I owe it all to Suboxone!!! I don’t get high from it, nor have I ever, also it has removed me from bieng an alcoholic also, I have no desire to drink or even have the urge too! Yes, I will be one of those that take it for the rest of my life! I go to the doctor once every 3 months and I can go and come as I please! I saw in your post it has health ramifications, could you please expand on that, cause I’ve searched and could find nothing on the long term affects of taking suxbone?

  2. Suboxen is a joke just like methadone and every other “medication” these corporations keep putting out. Even if it does work for a few people, how many others will misuse it and become addicted and have negative side effects and detriment added to their lives? You can not trade one addiction for another and expect good results. Is it really worth the outcome of so many other addicts becoming addicted and others misusing it as they have with every other medication and/or opiate medication previously introduced?

    I disagree with this highly. The bottom line is, no medication or rehab or anything else will work if the user or addict does not want to quit. All your company and the makers of this product are really doing is enabling more people to become addicted to yet another product…

    • Shame it saved my life. I don’t care what the old coffee drinking ex junkies in the back of the N.A. meeting say. I think they are mad cause they didn’t have it how can you say I’m not clean when I’m not stealing,selling drugs selling my stuff to get drugs and so on. Without Suboxone I’d still be a sick junkie!!!!

      • I agree. If these two medications are used the way they are suppose to be used they can be beneficial to many people. Patient’s are monitored to be sure that you don’t have illegal substances such as nonperscribed opiates or benzos, which is frowned upkn & can also get you kicked out. Methadone has been a god send for me after becoming addicted to opiates after i injured my spine. Yes, in some cases its also used as a sort of pain management tool when everything else has failed.

      • Well said ,I am a family member with this we can have a better quality of life and not have to worry if a loved one is going to rehab,jail or to heaven.

    • First off, you didn’t even spell Suboxone right. And if you truly understood addiction and suboxone you would realize that when suboxone is taking properly it is NOT trading one addiction for another.So i suggest you do a little more research before talking about suboxone. Because you are totally wrong.

    • Jun just to let you know you do not get high what’s so ever from suboxone so it’s not another drug to get high! It saves lives gives children their parents back, people are able to work and all patients that take suboxone are required to go to a registered therapist to get down to their reasons for using , and what about alcohol?????

      • Tina,

        I agree for the most part. People who have never used an opiate in their life however, will likely experience a mild buzz on Suboxone if they abuse it. But anything can be abused. But Suboxone can be a valuable tool for those who have the desire and are willing to put in the hard work and dedication to recovery. Thanks for sharing :-).

        William – Publisher and Founder of this Community

    • Have you ever been addicted to anything? If not, you have no right to make judgement. Even if you are a recovering addict, you aren’t the person who gets to judge orhers!
      This medication has saved lives! It’s only available by a doctor. And that doctor has to have a special license to treat addiction. Once fhe medication is given, it’s strictly monitored and most doctors require meetings and a sponsor to stay in the program! This medication also comes with Naloxone, which makes it impossible to feel “high” or feel euphoria.
      You don’t get addicted to that. It stabilizes and treats and makes a recovering addict able to live life and function, able to seek treatment. You have no clue how life saving it is! You may disagree and you may not care for the meds but I urge you not to judge a person who’s in recovery. That’s the last thing they need. Good day to you!

  3. Mr. Anonymous,

    I appreciate you sharing your opinion however you seem to be very angry for some reason and we’d like to know why. While Suboxone, methadone and other medicine assisted treatments (MATs) may be drug replacement therapy there is statistical evidence showing that it works. Moreover I’ve spoken to countless people who are on various MATs and many feel strongly that it has saved their lives. It’s hard to argue with that.

    One thing you have to understand is that medicine assisted treatments are regulated and not mixed with toxic chemicals like heroin. Secondly, they are administered by a licensed physician. These medications assist in reducing cravings and urges and minimize withdrawal symptoms. Meanwhile, many MATs are accompanied by individual and group counseling that helps the addict acquire the skills necessary to make better lifestyle choices. When the time is right, the recovering addict will taper down off their medication and before they know it, they won’t be dependent on anything. That said, we do realize that everyone is different and that it’s not that cut and dry for people.

    MATs are not perfect but they do provide assistance for men and women serious about conquering their addiction. They’ve also been proven affective.

    We encourage you to research these and deal in facts rather than angry emotions. If you have a personal story that you would like to share, you are welcome to do so. Not everyone has had a good experience and we don’t try to hide that reality. This community deals in reality and believes in being transparent. Thus, we encourage you to share your story on our anonymous heroin addiction & discussion forum.

    Best Regards,

    William – Publisher of this Community

  4. Bec,

    Thank you for sharing your feedback. Ideally, medicine assisted treatments (MATs) such as methadone, Suboxone and naltrexone should be used short-term and not indefinitely. While I do believe there are exceptions, I am not going to deny that some clinic/physicians/programs may be more interested in the money they acquire from their clients than doing what’s best for them. This community does hope to provide information and reviews about very specific clinics and leaves our discussion forum open for members to share their opinions and reviews about any and all clinics. Those that are more interested in funding their pockets than helping heroin and opiate users conquer their addiction will never be promoted/recommended on this website. We are hoping that this community will become a true movement in empowering recovering addicts in getting the best treatment out there. If we have to put the public spotlight on a particular clinic in order to pressure them to treat their clients better, we will. Together, our community can put the patient first and help them get the best treatment possible.

    Best wishes,

    William – Publisher of this Community

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  6. Suboxone is not being clean- PERIOD. I am a recovering heroin addict myself who has tried using Suboxone AND methadone maintenance I know without a doubt it is not being clean. Bupenorphrine should not be used for anything but detoxing- period. Otherwise there is no way to grow mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. Maintenance programs keep you away from a lot of illegal activity, yes, but it is not a replacement for recovery. My experience with maintenance programs is that being on one still keeps you a desperate slave to a substance without any motivation to change or grow. You become a zombie, incapable of fully living. There is, however, an answer. That answer is Narcotics Anonymous. The lie is dead- we do recover! Never alone. Never again.

    • Sarah,

      And why do you think that? Suboxone is a legitimate medicine assisted treatment that helps to reduce cravings and minimize/eliminate withdrawal symptoms from heroin. It is also much safer than heroin and works on two proven principles. These include drug replacement therapy and harm reduction therapy. While people do abuse Suboxone and if they’ve never used opiates / heroin previously, Suboxone may create a mild “high” or feeling of euphoria. But for most people who are good candidates for Suboxone, Suboxone won’t create any kind of high and simply allows a heroin addict to safely begin their journey of recovery and can work on acquiring the strategies necessary to live a normal, sober life. This includes establishing routine and working with a counselor / therapist to address underlying issues that may have led to heroin use and abuse in the first place.

      I agree that medicine assisted treatment is not a “replacement” for recovery…it is “part” of recovery. And it works for many people. It is completely and utterly false to say that people on Suboxone or medicine assisted treatment are like “zombies” incapable of fully living. What if I told you that as I’ve built this community from scratch that I’ve been on medicine assisted treatment the entire time? Am I a desperate slave incapable of fully living? Perhaps we should ask the countless people who I’ve helped find legitimate treatment?

      Narcotics Anonymous is one of many solutions. It really bothers me that so many people in AA and NA feel that there is a one-size fits all solution when any medical association or community will tell you otherwise. AA, NA and the 12 step program is great. But it was established in the early 1900s way before addiction was declared a disease by just about every medical association and community in the world and before medicine assisted treatment was readily available / widespread. Diseases are often treated with medication and addiction is no different. There are real medical principles and methodologies being applied in programs such as Suboxone, Methadone, etc. Narcotics Anonymous’ “Complete Abstinence” policy was written prior to the availability of medication for addiction and even NA has stated in their official documentation that it is between a patient and their doctor as to whether or not they are on medication and that members or officials of Narcotics Anonymous should not advise members on medication one way or the other.

      Anyway, I appreciate you sharing your opinion but regrettably it’s all part of the stigma that this community is fighting against. NA is not the only way, there are many roads to recovery and each person’s method should be celebrated as success as long as they are following the program as intended.

      Best wishes,

      William – Publisher and Founder of this Commmunity

      • Thank you for sharing this information on the different methods of recovery. I will be a CRSW soon and I patients to be able to just stay in recovery and be in recovery what method works in their lives. It’s great u posted this. Thank you

  7. methadone saved my life i grew up on the streets at a very young age was a full on heroin addict by 12 years old at 16 i moved quit cold turkey ugh (almost died) but then got into a horrible car accident wher i was thrown out the window. So of course got put on norcos then oc 20s then went bk to heroin eventually by the time i was 23 i was doing really bad my aunt told me to look for a methadone clinic in my area and it saved my life

  8. As a former patient of Suboxone maintenance I was on the program off and on for about 10 years. The only time it worked was the first go-around. After that it was all abuse. I either didn’t take them the way the doctors prescribe them or I sold them in order to pay my bills or to purchase other drugs. I now look back on it and I believe does Suboxone should be a short-term monitored program. As the article States Suboxone is not recovery. It also requires intensive therapy outside meetings new social network of friends and support meetings. I believe Suboxone in my case should have only been a year program with a taper if I couldn’t figure out how to do all these things along with my maintenance program then I had no business being on Suboxone. Because if you’re just taking Suboxone and not doing any other work on yourself when you are replacing One Drug with another. For me the Suboxone totally changed my mood as would heroin. It made me a miserable angry irritable a****** it took me 10 years to figure that out. Now I’m not saying that it can’t help other addicts but I’m just stating my story and how it affected my life and how it drove a wedge in my family and how it helped attribute to my demise. If I was going to recommend anything to anyone it would be the Vivitrol shot. Because I feel like that totally blocks all the cravings you still have to do all the leg work but it definitely gives you a better Foundation. That’s my own personal opinion thank you for your time.

  9. I had over two years clean when I relapsed and was found in a car overdosed w my foot on the brake and the car in drive. I was convicted of a felony. I used to have the same “you’re not clean if you’re on methadone or Suboxone” view and part of me still fights w that. I go to meetings and I’m on Suboxone maintenance and it is a back and forth struggle for me. What I can tell you is that my wife won’t find me dead in our bathroom if I make the foolish mistake of picking up heroin again because of the nonexistent craving for heroin because of the Suboxone. I’m a 43 year old dope fiend from Long Island who, not that long ago, was homeless and HOPELESS on the streets of Brooklyn. I was able to get married, buy a house, show up for my life, and be present in my families life EVERYDAY. Tell my wife I’m not clean, she’d tell you who cares he’s alive with a great quality of life. I do, however, really question why this drug is still so expensive. Hey I’m a big advocate of NA cause it showed me that there was a life after drugs but for me, just for today, I’m grateful for the Medication Assisted Therapy that I only have to go to a doctor once a month to get. The dope fiends in NA who do it completely without medication are my true heroes though.

    • Robert,

      Thank you for posting your comments and sharing your story. In my opinion, those who use Suboxone, Methadone, Naltrexone, etc. as directed by a physician are clean and sober. Some may disagree with me, but here’s why.

      1) Using medication to treat a disease is not the same as abusing drugs. Otherwise, we’d have to put all medications/drugs into this category and using Tylenol for a headache or Zoloft for depression makes someone “unclean”. It’s nonsense. Yes, people can abuse medicine assisted treatment (MAT) and those that do are not clean. But dedicated individuals who follow the program as instructed/directed are clean and sober.

      2) Those on MAT are not getting “high” nor are they chasing a “high”

      3) Those on MAT can and do function normally and are often working or involved in some kind of program and/or activities that are productive

      It’s extremely important that we look at the characteristics of addiction vs. recovery to determine whether or not MAT is benefiting them. Based on the above, those on MAT typically possess the characteristics of recovery. Thus, Methadone, Suboxone and Naltrexone patients (as long as they aren’t abusing the medication or program) are just as clean and sober as the rest of us who are abstaining from their drug of choice.

      Peace and Love,

      William – Founder and Publisher of this Community

      • Thanks William. All of us are in a struggle for our lives and I’m grateful for this group because everyone gets a chance to speak their minds. Even if someone has an opposing view from mine I still respect anyone whose fighting for their lives with this disease. I pray for anyone, especially the person who is still caught in the grips, to get better. We’re all a family.

        • Right on Robert, I agree that even if someone has an opposing view, that we should stand together in support of our mission, which is ultimately to spread awareness, support and encourage those in recovery and recommend the best treatment centers, services and programs that ultimately saves those still suffering from addiction. We are a family here.

          Peace and Love,

          William – Publisher of this Community

  10. So using drugs is great – just use the RIGHT drugs. I don’t take advice about recovering from drugs by people who make money by pushing drugs. Or those who claim “Recovery is what ever I SAY it is” as they keep using…drugs. Truth smashes selfish opinion. Enjoy your dishonesty (and your drugs paid for by other people’s money).
    – A disgusted treatment professional.

    • David,

      If you’ve read the article, I’m pretty surprised you would have that kind of reaction, especially if you are actually a treatment professional. You do realize that medicine assisted treatment is a legitimate option (with a pretty high success rate I might add) to treat the disease of addiction right? Or do you reject the notion that addiction is a disease? I’m also wondering if you are anti-medication in general. Would you begrudge someone on depression from being prescribed Zoloft? Would you advise those with a headache to stay away from Tylenol?

      And in the interest of full disclosure, this community and it’s publishers, owners, founders and employees do NOT make any money from Suboxone, Methadone, Naltrexone or any facility that offers it. Thus, the content provided in this article is completely unbiased and it based on scientific study and a multitude of successful experiences found all over the place. If we did have sponsors that offered the above treatments, we would openly admit it because we operate in a transparent environment. And frankly, we only work with treatment center, services, companies and individuals that we genuinely believe are working toward the greater good of helping heroin, opiate and drug users conquer their addiction. We would have no problem working with Suboxone or Methadone clinics if they met our high standards, because they are legitimate treatments that save lives!

      So David Sylsberry (with no presence on Facebook under your name), I’m not sure who you are or why you are so negative in your views, but for the sake of your clients/patients, PLEASE educate yourself. I am now honestly very concerned about whomever is under your direct care as I feel you aren’t equipping them with all the options so they can make a decision on how to proceed in their recovery.

      William – Founder and Publisher of this Community

  11. I debated for months if I considered myself clean because I was on suboxone because it was burned in my head at AA/NA that “you are not clean if you are on suboxone”. Well I have been clean for 1yr and 4 months now, I gained custody of my children back!!! I am a better mother and person because of the help I received including suboxone!! And I am weenie myself off under my Dr’s care. It is up to you to use it correctly some abuse, most who actually want to be clean dont! I hate the stigmatism of suboxone doesn’t make you clean! I know it saved my life and many others! And I am grateful everyday that I do not have to worry about how to get my next fix. I wake up and look at my beatific children and there is no comparison to that! I am grateful to be grateful today!

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  13. This is all BS. We as people aren’t meant to take drugs the rest of our lives. And the way they talk in “recovery” is that you will need to take drugs the rest of your life. The thing is, your body reacts. Daily opiate use can cause chronic constipation, and anyone whose used or in recovery knows exactly what I’m talking about. Not to mention your serotonin levels constantly being depleted. Often, anti depressants and anti anxiety medications are coupled with methadone and suboxone. It just compounds the problem. We are simply getting people off of one illicit opiate, and putting them on one or multiple prescription drugs. Then they instill this horrible stigma that everyone walks around with. Please tell me how this is Recovery? Luckily there is a solution to this massive problem that allows a person to stop taking drugs with out withdrawal symptoms. Not only that, but it eliminates the urge to use. It’s not something we should overlook. This information is purposely being suppressed so pharmaceutical companies can continue to profit of others misery.

    • Rick,

      Thank you for your comments. But let’s think about your statement “We as people aren’t meant to take drugs the rest of our lives”. Now in general, I agree. But there are exceptions. People who are depressed take anti-depressants. People with anxiety take anxiety medication. People with diabetes take insulin. People with cancer are treated with chemotherapy and more. Many of these examples take medication for the rest of their lives or at least as long as needed. Suboxone is a legitimate medicine for heroin addiction. Now medicine assisted treatment is designed for addicts to take for a short period of time while they develop the tools, skills and strategies to deal with stressful situations without resorting to drug use and other life skills that have to do with independent living. Some people require to be on Suboxone or even Methadone longer than others. Some, are so afraid that they will resort back to using heroin that they may choose to stay on Suboxone or Methadone for many, many years. So if the medication is saving their lives, what’s wrong with that?

      I wrote several additional articles after this one that discuss why people on medicine assisted treatment exude characteristics of recovery rather than the traits of addiction. See “Characteristics of Addiction Vs. Recovery” and “Suboxone and Methadone: The Brutal Truth About Medicine Assisted Treatment” for more information.

      Are there flaws in the system? Absolutely. Are medicine assisted treatment options such as Suboxone and Methadone perfect? Absolutely not. However, they have been proven to save lives whether you agree with it or not. There is enough proof out there showing that those who follow the program as directed by their physician are clean and sober.

      Peace and Love,


    • Rick,

      Our community is on the fence about Ibogaine to be honest. But it is illegal in the United States for a reason. I know some believe it’s because they’re trying to protect income and money sent to pharmaceutical companies and those involved with medicine assisted treatment options like Methadone and Suboxone. However, Ibogaine is a psychedelic drug that creates hallucinations of the mind. We’ve heard reports from some of our members who has family members or friends who’ve used it and never came back from their “trip”. On the other hand, I’ve heard some success stories. But Ibogaine is not a CURE for addiction. But it may help eliminate urges and physical dependency. See

      Ibogaine Treatment Experience: What’s it Like and Does it Work?

      Ibogaine: Cure for Heroin Addiction?

      Best wishes,

      William – Publisher

  14. Well in Canada doctors are proscribing heroin. so just BC they proscribe it, it’s OK? And to Tina yes you can get high off it. Seen it get people high many times

  15. Unfortunately, there is just as much blame for the prevailing stigma of bup to be placed on those who abuse it, which, sadly, is conservatively estimated to be 60-70% of those who are prescribed it. Addicts are not inherently bad people, but there are unredeemable sociopaths who also become addicted. And a lot of addicts remain trapped in toxic social environments when they remain most vulnerable i.e. early recovery. Sadly, the most effective approach is the simplest: put yourself through the worst week of your life (you won’t die, nobody has ever died from opiate withdrawal), get into a recovery track of some sort (anything, as long as it is SOMETHING and you are willing to commit to it) and NEVER let yourself forget how wretched that week was or how you got there. I didn’t say it was easy, but it’s a lot simpler than we make it out to be.

  16. Suboxone and methadone are not a solution for addiction. They are drugs. Giving drug addicts narcotic drugs does not cure nor help addiction. I am a heroin addict in recovery for 2 years- many addicts who are taking these drugs like to tell you that they “are helping” because addicts like to take drugs!! Life is a whole lot harder without them until you find a real solution like facing your fears, becoming willing to listen to other clean and sober people, finding a 12 step program, a sponsor and working the steps. It’s not a conspiracy- pharmaceutical companies make billions selling these drugs- the clinical trials and evidence in our community plainly shows they don’t work. If you need help, go to detox, then go to a meeting. Get the drugs out of your system. Don’t replace them with extended release drugs and believe the delusion they are selling you that this is going to make you clean and sober. It’s bull.

    • Mr. or Mrs. Anonymous,

      I appreciate your opinion, but many medical professionals administer drugs aka medication to treat disease. Insulin is administered to diabetics. Chemotherapy is administered to cancer patients. Suboxone and methadone, while they are narcotics are weaker, synthetic opioids that, when administered under medical supervision can eliminate withdrawal symptoms, alleviate cravings and block the effects of other opioids. Furthermore, they save lives because it take the needle out of the heroin addicts arm and helps people get their lives back on track.

      There’s nothing wrong with a 12 step program. But it is not the only solution out there. Ironically, the success rate of medicine assisted treatment (MAT) is much higher.

      Besides, you wouldn’t tell a depressed patient to get the Zoloft out of their system and just “go to a meeting” to cure their depression would you? Meetings are great, but their effect is limited. Medication is just one more potential tool that helps some people. It’s not for everyone and we don’t advocate everyone to go on it. But it’s certainly a viable option for some.

      Best wishes,

      William – Publisher of this Community

  17. I take suboxone to relieve pain due to lung cancer! I do not want to take opiates and suboxone allows me to live a pain free life with no highs or lows like those associated with opiates! Suboxone is a wonderful drug!!

    • Amy,

      Thanks for responding to our heroin blog article. I’m glad to hear that you found a solution that works to help you relieve pain. Suboxone, when used right can be an effective pain reliever and medicine assisted treatment to fight against opioid and heroin addiction, relieving opioid and heroin withdrawal, reducing cravings and even blocking the effects of opioids. Like any other drug, Suboxone (buprenorphine) can be abused, but it simply depends on the person.

      Best wishes,

      William – Publisher of this Community

  18. I just got back onto my sub regiment, and during that visit my Doctor received a call about an OD from one of his patients. She was on Naltrexone/vivitrol. Now.. what I’m about to say is directed at you whackjobs who treat The 12 step program as dogmatic religious truth, scorning anybody and anything they might do to upset your “special balance.” She learned from a group of misinformed zilches that she is “dependeeeeent” so as long as she is “dependeeeeeeeent” she isn’t “clean.” So.. she never went back for her follow up shot of Vivitrol, after 3 months (like MOST addicts) she caves, takes too much and OD’s. She learned this from YOU “high priests” in this cult of yours.. Not all 12 step programs or meetings are the same, I’ve been to a FEW really good ones. It never worked for me, Suboxone DID.. I tend to favor science and analytical data over religion, “Higher powers” and faith alone. Faith/belief will not save you, the program has a very low percentage of those who make it, less than 1 or 2% (From what I’ve heard.). I know it works for some people, and that’s great! I don’t want MORE dead addicts I want MORE functional living ones! I didn’t favor those odds so I chose a path I knew would prove more efficacious, while those I knew were dropping like flies.. I’m still here.. working, finally have a family, stable life, I have my OWN place with my OWN things! The 12 steps never gave that to me, and I really gave it a go.. after 40 or 50 times it started to become redundantly clear it’s not for me. Maintenance WORKS, even short term it WORKS. Say what you want, but I truly believe many in the 12 step program take it to the nth degree and end up killing young men and women with faulty advice about “faith” and how you can’t seek alternative means if you feel some type of way. You can, and if you think the odds truly are against you.. Which they are mathematically speaking, and you’re a chronic relapser despite really REALLY trying in the past? I would honestly think about maintenance, you only have ONE go at life.. please choose objectively verifiable data over religiosity. Also it’s not trading addictions.. I really hate hearing this. If you’re taking Buprenorphine with the INTENT of getting better and following a proper maintenance, then it’s fine. However if you’re taking it for otherwise selfish means, then that’s between you and your creator.

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